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Author: by BrendaK (pov original character)
Help is somebody who asks the right questions.
In this case it´s Hannah Nichols, a sixty-year old psychologist who doesn't give a damn any more. She´s lonely and bored with her clientel.
Doyle calls on her because after a hard case (Fugitive) he has nightmares, and is afraid of: I´ll either lose my job or get somebody killed.
Absolut trust is hard to achieve.
Doyle visits his neighbour psychologist three days in a row, though Hannah get´s the hang of things right from the start, after his first session.
For the first time in years, I spend every spare moment of the next day researching. I look at post-traumatic reactions, male interaction, male bonding, nightmares and everything else I can think of.
I very much like the way Brenda took the thoughts and feelings out of the characters by hardly using any speech.
Not acting on your feelings brings on pain.
At the second visit she makes Doyle talk about his childhood and his needs and reasons for doing the job.
He analyses his feelings, while Hannah just listens. (![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
firlefanzine thinks for example this childhood stuff is overrated...)
Hannah is so intrigued by Doyle, her answer to his question: "Do you work Saturdays?"
is: I do now.
That´s the third time they meet. This time she brings on women, but the dirction of the conversation heads back to Bodie, and again Doyle has to face his troubles and suddenly he's starting to see a great deal of things in a more balanced perspective. Since Hannah thinks he's got to go and work it out now, they decide to meet again in a few weeks to Tell me how you're getting on?
Never far apart.
The weeks are passing with Hannah´s thoughts still sticking to Doyle. And not only them, but her eyes, too.
She´s watching him occasionally and even sees him with a slightly taller, heavier-built man.
I very much like the word complicity she ´s using in that context.
Doyle´s late for their next appointment, and she feels oddly disappointed. When he finally arrives at her place, he looks like something the cat brought in, so she even walks with him back to his flat where she meets Bodie face to face.
After all, love is all that matters.
Bodie´s not at all happy about her appearance but goes along with the charade she´s starting to play out for Doyle´s sake. It´s sooo - well , I´d almost say sweet, but that´s just NOT what it is.
As I leave them, Doyle is starting to look like a contented, domesticated cat after a bowl of cream.
Halfway there, lads!
Luckily that´s only the end of this story.
In Hannah again Brenda continues what she started off, and well, you should go and read that too!
So here I find myself, not really quite satisfied with the way I did this, but when I complained to Firle, she said that´s my way of doing this today, and well, let´s say she was very convincing! *g*
I very much like the questions asked at the end of the reccing, so here are some for you:
Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?
Do you like Hannah? Why?
Why do you think Doyle likes her?
Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her?
Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?
Did you read the sequel right after the first part?
Should it be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post?
Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*)
I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own.
Edited to let you know that the picture comes from The Daily Professionals.
With loads of thanks to this blog and Steve, who submitted this one, like so many others.
Author: by BrendaK (pov original character)
Archive: The Professionals Circuit Archive
Pairing: Bodie & Doyle, but not really, kinda
Hannah by BrendaK
Pairing: Bodie & Doyle, but not really, kinda
Hannah by BrendaK
Help is somebody who asks the right questions.
In this case it´s Hannah Nichols, a sixty-year old psychologist who doesn't give a damn any more. She´s lonely and bored with her clientel.
Doyle calls on her because after a hard case (Fugitive) he has nightmares, and is afraid of: I´ll either lose my job or get somebody killed.
Absolut trust is hard to achieve.
Doyle visits his neighbour psychologist three days in a row, though Hannah get´s the hang of things right from the start, after his first session.
For the first time in years, I spend every spare moment of the next day researching. I look at post-traumatic reactions, male interaction, male bonding, nightmares and everything else I can think of.
I very much like the way Brenda took the thoughts and feelings out of the characters by hardly using any speech.
Not acting on your feelings brings on pain.
At the second visit she makes Doyle talk about his childhood and his needs and reasons for doing the job.
He analyses his feelings, while Hannah just listens. (
firlefanzine thinks for example this childhood stuff is overrated...)Hannah is so intrigued by Doyle, her answer to his question: "Do you work Saturdays?"
is: I do now.
That´s the third time they meet. This time she brings on women, but the dirction of the conversation heads back to Bodie, and again Doyle has to face his troubles and suddenly he's starting to see a great deal of things in a more balanced perspective. Since Hannah thinks he's got to go and work it out now, they decide to meet again in a few weeks to Tell me how you're getting on?
Never far apart.
The weeks are passing with Hannah´s thoughts still sticking to Doyle. And not only them, but her eyes, too.
She´s watching him occasionally and even sees him with a slightly taller, heavier-built man.
I very much like the word complicity she ´s using in that context.
Doyle´s late for their next appointment, and she feels oddly disappointed. When he finally arrives at her place, he looks like something the cat brought in, so she even walks with him back to his flat where she meets Bodie face to face.
After all, love is all that matters.
Bodie´s not at all happy about her appearance but goes along with the charade she´s starting to play out for Doyle´s sake. It´s sooo - well , I´d almost say sweet, but that´s just NOT what it is.
As I leave them, Doyle is starting to look like a contented, domesticated cat after a bowl of cream.
Halfway there, lads!
Luckily that´s only the end of this story.
In Hannah again Brenda continues what she started off, and well, you should go and read that too!
So here I find myself, not really quite satisfied with the way I did this, but when I complained to Firle, she said that´s my way of doing this today, and well, let´s say she was very convincing! *g*
I very much like the questions asked at the end of the reccing, so here are some for you:
Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?
Do you like Hannah? Why?
Why do you think Doyle likes her?
Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her?
Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?
Did you read the sequel right after the first part?
Should it be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post?
Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*)
I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own.
Edited to let you know that the picture comes from The Daily Professionals.
With loads of thanks to this blog and Steve, who submitted this one, like so many others.
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Date: 2012-02-09 11:46 am (UTC)Your rec.
Very well done! And I hope everybody - who hasn't done yet - is now on her way to read it, because it ist a fantastic story! ;-)
Very warmhearted, intelligent, different.
It is so good to see Bodie and Doyle through the eyes of Hannah, who is a completely stranger bus soon becomes thrilled first by the personality of Doyle, and then by the relationship with Bodie.
(Something I really can't understand.... *g*)
Btw - did I mention how much I like that picture?
Your questions:
"Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?"
I would say it doesn't matter! Hannah doesn't know. So everything is possible, I think.
"Do you like Hannah? Why?"
Oh yes, I do! Maybe she isn't so far from me... I mean it's something else, if we read a story from Macklin's viewpoint, isn't it? :-)
"Why do you think Doyle likes her?"
The chemistry between them seems to work. Don't know. You can't explain it. But otherwise he wouldn't talk to her!
"Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her?"
I don't have the feeling. At the beginning he was jealous because he wanted to comfort his partner. But in the end he likes her, I think.
"Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?"
Se above. She should have a professional POV, but very quickly she is thrilled.
"Did you read the sequel right after the first part?"
I'm afraid I've read the sequel years ago. So I don't know much to say.
That's strange, that I didn't read it today, though... - maybe Hannah is perfect for me, and everything else can't be better?
"Should it be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post?"
That's something time will tell... ;-)
"Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*)
"I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own"
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
*sniff*
Nice picture btw... :-)
Thank you!
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Date: 2012-02-09 01:16 pm (UTC)Your questions:
"Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?"
I would say it doesn't matter! Hannah doesn't know. So everything is possible, I think.
Really?? I think she knows right from the start!
"Do you like Hannah? Why?"
Oh yes, I do! Maybe she isn't so far from me... I mean it's something else, if we read a story from Macklin's viewpoint, isn't it? :-)
That´s what I thought, too!
"Why do you think Doyle likes her?"
The chemistry between them seems to work. Don't know. You can't explain it. But otherwise he wouldn't talk to her!
I think it´s got something to do that they are somehow alike, the way to think and to analyze. Being bored by "normal" poeple.
"Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her?"
I don't have the feeling. At the beginning he was jealous because he wanted to comfort his partner. But in the end he likes her, I think.
I´ve still got the feeling he´s just soooo jealous, but doesn´t know why.
"Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?"
See above. She should have a professional POV, but very quickly she is thrilled.
Hannah or Brenda?
"Did you read the sequel right after the first part?"
I'm afraid I've read the sequel years ago. So I don't know much to say.
That's strange, that I didn't read it today, though... - maybe Hannah is perfect for me, and everything else can't be better?
Oh dear, but the second part is just adding so much more to this story, makes everything even more clear.
"Should it be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post?"
That's something time will tell... ;-)
And here I thought poeple would let me know. How am I supposed to get hold of time?
"Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*)
"I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own"
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
*sniff*
Poor dear! Got the sniffles??
Thanks so much for commenting!
(Did you like the pic?)
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Date: 2012-02-09 02:26 pm (UTC)"Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?"
I would say it doesn't matter! Hannah doesn't know. So everything is possible, I think.
Really?? I think she knows right from the start!"
LOL! Wishful thinking? Doyle really shouldn't wear that 'I'm Bodie's lover' badge on his shirt! *g*
No really, nobody would complain over at PROSFanfic, and every hardcore slasher can read the story without losing his face... You can read it the way you want. :-P
"Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?"
See above. She should have a professional POV, but very quickly she is thrilled.
Hannah or Brenda?"
That'll teach me to read the question properly!
But in fact there is probably not so much of a difference.
It's analytic, but in a friendly way, with real interest. It's so different from the way Ross would look at Doyle.
"Oh dear, but the second part is just adding so much more to this story, makes everything even more clear."
Ok, ok... will reread the sequel in the evening. :-)
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:08 pm (UTC)*LOL*
Every parent learns loads of stuff from their kids!!
Did you read the sequel??
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:35 pm (UTC)That really made me smile!
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:36 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-02-09 08:39 pm (UTC)I'm happy about that!
Just look. They've dressed in matching clothes. The same colours. They are leaning at their doorstep. And they are very close together and relaxed - and they seem to be happy!
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Date: 2012-02-10 08:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-09 03:27 pm (UTC)Phew....First, what a fantastic photo! My first thoughts were it's lovely to see Doyle looking as mischevious as Bodie. My second thoughts were what had they been up to? What was the joke?
And, thank you for this lovely rec. I think this is just the kind of writing which shows us what a close, loving, affectionate relationship two tough blokes can have without it being constantly explained to the reader. A relationship seen through the eyes of a third party.
Thanks for this excellent choice!
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:09 pm (UTC)I really am glad you liked my entry!
And the pic...*g*
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Date: 2012-02-09 04:13 pm (UTC)Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?
Hmmm.....probably pre-slash as the narrator seems to stress Doyle's loneliness but I think they're getting there.....But I don't think I really care, life's too short for labels.
Do you like Hannah? Why?
Yes. Very much. She’s human, imperfect, honest with Doyle and with herself and perhaps she's as vulnerable as her patients. She's still open to new discoveries, new challenges and after being in her job for a long time hasn't become over-cynical.
Why do you think Doyle likes her?
I can only say why I like her and imagine why he might like her and it relates to the previous points. Also, she's not smug, not patronising, seems genuinely interested in him and his problems and he feels he can talk to her, which is tied up with liking her I suppose.....
Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her?
I'm not sure why you would think that (why do you think that?) but I don't think I got that impression. I think perhaps he 'frowns' at her in a quizzical way, wondering who she is and what's going on. And he immediately offers her a cup of tea and help with her locks (do you think he was suspicious and his offer wasn't genuine?)
Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?
You mean Hannah's POV? It's fresh, different and allows the reader to view their relationship in a subtle way, avoiding slushiness which I hate.
Did you read the sequel right after the first part?
Not this time but I think I did the first time.
Should it be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post?
I can't remember it well enough to give a worthwhile answer but I feel quite satisfied with this one.
Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*)
I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own.
Just a little......
Now, where's *my* cup of tea?
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:13 pm (UTC)Wonderful answer!
It´s quite amazing the answers you get, some are so similar to what I thought, but then there are such fun new ideas...
Thanks a ton for coming back and leaving another wonderful comment!
(Uupsss, the tea - I´m so sorry, must´ve gone verschütt.)
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:33 pm (UTC)verschütt
What does this mean, please? I've looked it up on Google Translate but it just keeps coming back with the same word. (I hope it's not rude....or maybe I *do* hope it's rude?)
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:41 pm (UTC)verschütt is short for verschüttet which means
- buried in context with avalanches
- spilled in context with fluids
- or lost, like gone for good
*g*
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-10 08:42 am (UTC)You´re welcome!
You english can talk about words with lot of meanings!
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Date: 2012-02-10 11:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-09 06:27 pm (UTC)I liked the story. I read another of hers but hadn't realised there was a sequel to this so thanks for the info - now bookmarked! She's a very competent writer - no infelicities of language, no typos, no errors in canon that I can see (I'm no expert). She's clearly a writer I can trust so I will look for some more of her work. Thank you!
Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?
Pre-slash, I suppose. There's nothing explicit and it sounds as if Ray hasn't quite come to terms with his own feelings yet. But Hannah recognises (although she doesn't articulate) what is most probably going on.
Do you like Hannah? Why?
I don't feel as if I know her well enough to form a real opinion but I like what she does. Her counselling skills are excellent.
Why do you think Doyle likes her?
I think he quickly realises she is very unlike Kate Ross and that he can trust her. Of course, there is a kind of 'transference' at work: he tells her all his problems and is part way to solving them as a result so she will figure as a saviour in his subconscious.
Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her?
I don't know! Why does it? Bodie is naturally surprised to see Ray with an older woman, and perhaps disappointed not to have Ray to himself, but once she is 'explained' he seems happy enough to be welcoming.
Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?
It's refreshing to have an outsider's view of the lads. We are able to consider them both evenly and from a distance. Most fic, even when not in the first person, is told from one point of view and we are never so sure of the other's thoughts. Here we see both of them, although of course only Ray talks to Hannah and to some extent she sees Bodie through his eyes, but she seems professional enough to think for herself.
Did you read the sequel right after the first part?
I have bookmarked it but not read it yet. There are only so many hours in a day.
Should it be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post?
Since you've only just told us about it and quite a few people probably haven't read it or haven't had time to gather their thoughts, maybe another post? I'd personally rather you didn't discuss it here because I haven't had a chance to read it yet and don't want spoilers. *clicks 'track this' button very cautiously*
Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*)
I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own.
We-e-ll...I'd rather have a Doyle but if Bodie was the only one of the pair on offer I woulnd't turn him down.*g*
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Date: 2012-02-09 07:26 pm (UTC)Of course, there is a kind of 'transference' at work: he tells her all his problems and is part way to solving them as a result so she will figure as a saviour in his subconscious.
Isn´t that just the way every psychologist should work? And that´s exactly why I think he likes her, too. Ross is not really helping, just pointing out the things she sees.
I don´t think you have to worry, it doesn´t sound like anybody wants to discuss the sequel here. It´s either going to be a new post or not done at all.
Oh, this is just so interesting, another Doyle girl....funny thing, it´s not like I thought of sending Bodie over to anybody, I intended the question more in the way Hannah wishes for it: Somebody who takes care of you and listens.
Thank you so much for your comment, it´s so very interesting to read what other people think about a lovely story!
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Date: 2012-02-09 09:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-09 09:13 pm (UTC)How can you say something like that?
Thinking of it, we all could be the mother of B or D....
*is shocked and goes to bed now with a hotty*
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Date: 2012-02-09 09:34 pm (UTC)But the hotty is a good idea. For the weather, not for shock.*g*
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Date: 2012-02-09 09:57 pm (UTC)"But Hannah is old enough to be his mother - and is missing her son in Australia who it would seem is about Doyle's age. And I think Doyle would sense this."
Maybe she is missing her son. But I don't think that she sees Doyle as something like that! At least that's what she is thinking:
"I'm tempted to tell him that being sixty doesn't mean I'm either ignorant or over the hill, but don't."
I don't say that she is in love with Doyle or something like that, but she sees him as a man, not a son, I think.
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Date: 2012-02-09 10:53 pm (UTC)I got the feeling Hannah saw him as being of her son's generation and was thinking, 'all these lads think their parents are past sex etc. and have maybe even forgotten about it, and it's not true'. You evidently saw her as attracted to him. Maybe. We'd have to ask Brenda K!!
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Date: 2012-02-10 08:46 am (UTC)Psychologists must be excellent listenesrs, and if they´re clever, they know to ask the right questions, and since Doyle went already so far with analyzing, it must´ve been quite nice to find somebody who agrees.
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Date: 2012-02-11 08:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-09 08:35 pm (UTC)Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why? - Oof, very tricky. In the broadest sense, when I am in that mood: slash. The episodes are slashy although we never seen them at it. This doesn't contradict the episodes, so as far as I can tell, they either are or will be rather more involved than Cowley would hope. But we don't see anything, so if you need it explicitly written down, then it's pre-slash. (I don't need things explicitly written down. I just like it :))
Do you like Hannah? Why? - She's alright, yeah. That's not quite as insulting as it sounds, honestly! She seems competent, and I like her. I am not terribly interested in her family in Australia, but that works rather like the family troubles in Georgina Kirrin's The Acorn Syndrome, as a comparison to illuminate Bodie and Doyle, and I am not terribly interested in the extended families of several of my friends.
Why do you think Doyle likes her? - I'd like to think it's because she's competent. I'm not sure that's the reason though. I think a lot of it is that she is safe. She presents an impression of understanding him. She is not of CI5. But she is not doing the shrinking horror that Ann did. She covers for him in front of Bodie. She is consistently there (and he has a job where it is hard for him to be consistent).
Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her? - I don't get that impression in this story. There's certainly a touch in the second one though. Initially.
Should [the second story] be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post? - Heh. I faced this when rec'ing The Alchemist's Measure a while back: there is a sequel, The Devil's Apprentice, which I thought raised interesting questions relevant to the first. My solution was to do the first on the Thursday, say that I'd bring the other up shortly, and to do a sort of extra one on the Sunday or Monday. Fewer people responded, but they had all read it, and it was worth doing.
Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*) - I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own. - No, but I absolutely could see why Hannah might. Doyle, now...
There are a couple of other points that occurred to me reading this story. The first one is that the impression I get from Wild Justice of Doyle's relationship with Kate Ross is completely different. I really do get the idea in WJ that they get on pretty well: Doyle makes silly remarks to her and she cheerfully deflects them without appearing to need the validation of "winning" each exchange: it's banter, basically. She has his measure, and neither of them are threatened by each other. I really can see them getting on as mates outside CI5.
The other is: what exactly is Hannah's job? Is she a psychiatrist? (In the UK: a medical doctor (has a degree in medicine) with a further qualification in psychiatry, thus licensed to prescribe drugs if necessary, and with legal powers to do with sectioning people.) Is she a psychologist? (In the UK: basically, someone with a degree in psychology - as in 'how humans behave' - rather than a degree in medicine.) Or is she a psychotherapist? (In the UK: okay, a bit more blurry, but probably starting out as one of the previous two and then doing further -possibly extensive - training in therapy - this is where Freud, Jung, Adler come in, and I think hypnotherapy is much more likely to be involved here than in the previous two). It's a small point, but it's something that threw me. I've noticed that Kate Ross skates lightly between the three spheres in fiction, too.
Finally, I really enjoyed your introduction and how you reacted to it - thanks! - and yes, the photo is lovely!
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Date: 2012-02-09 09:29 pm (UTC)I did a postgrad counselling course and could, if I wished, advertise counselling. I couldn't advertise myself as a psychologist because that's not what my degree is in. Friends with psychology degrees don't necessarily have any counselling training - they study the human mind rather than ways of healing it though of course they might suggest ways of dealing with a situation (e.g. educational psychologists will advise on how to treat children with problems).Plus, they might very well follow their initial degre with training in counselling or therapy. And of course I can't prescribe drugs - only a psychiatrist can do that - but I know enough to send someone hotfoot to their GP. I was taught that a psychotherapist was a specialised psychiatrist i.e. one who practised therapy - in UK, anyway.(Other psychiatrists might do research or might have a purely diagnostic role e.g in court cases.) Hannah seems to do nothing that a trained counsellor couldn't/wouldn't do. We were taught how to use various therapies but advised to start as a rule with letting people talk and perhaps facilitate their journey to their own conclusions (Rogerian counselling).That's what Hannah does. If that didn't work/appeal we had options of using things like gestalt therapy or cognitive therapy, etc.
I suspect Brenda K was unaware of the differences. She might be American (the term 'counselling psychologist' is American but is creeping into Brit usage). But a lot of Brits are unaware, too. And it didn't spoil the story, partly, I think, because she got Hannah's behaviour right.
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Date: 2012-02-13 02:48 pm (UTC)To me it wasn't a distinction I bothered to make in the context of the fic, if it was an error it didn't have any impact on the story being told, and I could quite happily fit what was happening into the description of it... and now that I think about it, it also seems quite natural a thing for Doyle to do...
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Date: 2012-02-13 03:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-10 09:00 am (UTC)Itßs just so amazing how many things pop up if loads of poeple think alike but take different tracks.
I love the thing about slash you wrote and have to agree wholehartedly! I like it more explicit, too!
Looks like I´m the only one who thinks Bodie doesn´t like Hannah, maybe it´s because of the sequel, like you said. Maybe I´m just jealous, too. *g*
Your suggestion for the sequel is great. I´ll have to see if I can get myself to do that. Since Firle assured me nobody is giving marks and or asking for something else....
Your point with Ross is right, too, it´s more fannon I think, that she´s some kind of fiend who has to be avoided.
Your last point is hard to understand for me, because she´s introduced as a sixty-year old psychologist who doesn't give a damn any more. which I quoted right on top of the post, too.
Would you mind explaining your last sentence? I don´t really know what I reacted to.
Thanks for stopping by, you made me very happy with your interesting comment!
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Date: 2012-02-10 03:13 pm (UTC)My last sentence? The one about Kate Ross skating between different spheres?
Well, really, I was saying that although Hannah refers to herself as a psychologist, the job we see her doing is much more that of a therapist - particularly, as moth2fic says, a counsellor. There is not necessarily any overlap between being a psychologist and being a counsellor. And on the same lines, Pros fic has extended Kate Ross's work in a variety of ways, so that sometimes she is psychologist, sometimes psychiatrist, and sometimes something different again.
I'm not sure that's much clearer, but fingers crossed!
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Date: 2012-02-10 11:28 pm (UTC)Though it teaches me to be more specific next time.
Finally, I really enjoyed your introduction and how you reacted to it - thanks! - and yes, the photo is lovely!
This is the sentence I meant. I don´t know what you like, that I reacted to? The fic?
I´ve read loads of fics, but I would say that Ross is more often the bad one. But that´s only my opinion! *g*
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Date: 2012-02-11 02:46 pm (UTC)Yes, the fic. I enjoyed reading which bits you particularly liked. You noticed things I hadn't (eg, how we learn about Hannah's assessment of Doyle through what she reads up on). We obviously reacted to very different parts of the same story, and it's interesting how different people enjoy different parts.
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Date: 2012-02-13 03:04 pm (UTC)I was a bit annoyed how it went, because I rather see it as a retelling, but then that´s how it went, and hey, it seemed to work and poeple started to discuss and put in their thoughts, which is the purpose and all the fun!
And I just love seeing different points of views, you´ll never know what you might´ve missed.
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Date: 2012-02-13 02:45 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-02-13 03:08 pm (UTC)I don't think the lads mind Kate Ross at all - I think they're slightly intimidated by her, as a strong woman who has a certain amount of power over them, and who doesn't fall into the category of female they can handle most easily - those who are immediately a bit in love and intimidated by them! *g* Bodie says something that makes me think of his relationship with Kate Ross about the two policewomen they sit with at lunch in First Night - along the lines that women's lib is all very well, but it doesn't "do much for the cojones" (ie, make him feel like a "real man"). I think he probably feels the same way about Kate Ross, though I don't think we see him interact with her as much as Doyle does...
In the 1980s independent women like Kate Ross, who held any kind of power over men, were often thought of as "ball-breakers", and I think the lads are flirting on the edges of this kind of reaction about Kate - Bodie more so than Doyle, who I think is a bit more of a "new man" about such things...
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Date: 2012-02-13 03:24 pm (UTC)they're slightly intimidated by her, as a strong woman who has a certain amount of power over them
And that´s probably why fannon mostly coloured her bad.
Thanks for explaining the cojones thingy....I looked it up before, but only NOW, it really makes sense! *g*
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Date: 2012-02-13 02:46 pm (UTC)Perhaps it's actually Doyle who was confused about her role/what he needed, and she simply reacted to that as part of her fascination with him...?
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Date: 2012-02-10 03:47 am (UTC)Would you rate "Hannah" as slash or preslash? Why?
I think preslash for the simple reason that I don’t think there is yet a physical relationship but the signs of it eventuating are there and Hannah recognises that.
Do you like Hannah? Why?
She seems nice but I can't really judge from this relatively brief story.
Why do you think Doyle likes her
Because he finds he can open up to her. And, after all, you have to like your psychologist otherwise there is no point in consulting them.
Why does it seem to me that Bodie doesn´t like her?
Perhaps you are reading too much into Bodie’s frown when he first meets her? To me he is maybe a bit naturally cautious and even disconcerted to find Hannah in Doyle’s company but I don’t see an active dislike.
Why do you like the point of view Brenda gives us?
Because it allows us a close up view of Doyle, and Bodie through Doyle, but someone else is giving us that view.
Did you read the sequel right after the first part?
No, I’m waiting until this one has been thoroughly analysed before going on to the next:)
Should it be included in this discussion or is there a need for a second post?
A second post to allow everyone time to read and comment here.
Can you relate to the following quote? (*g*) (actually it´s more of a *lol*)
I find myself wishing I had a Bodie of my own.
I’d accept a Bodie of my own and/or a Doyle, or a Murphy. I’d even accept a Cowley in some of my more insane moments*g*
By the way … that picture is … very nice:D In fact I could sit here all day just looking at it instead of working. In fact, I have:P
Thanks for the great review:)
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Date: 2012-02-10 09:11 am (UTC)It´s amazing, most your answers quite fit the thoughts I was thinking about while answering them myself.
The liking Hannah answer though is quite different!
And asking about Bodies dislike is a tricky question, I seem to have taken the second part in account, too, my mistake.
You were really able to restrict yourself to the first part? Wow, you really are far more selfcontrolled than me! *g*
Somehow the thing with your own Bodie seems to go a total different way in most minds. I don´t think Hannah wants BODIE, just somebody like him? I hope your insane moments are well gone and few!!
I am so happy everybody likes the pic, I just hope it was alright to go and snatch it from the blog. It just fits the end so perfectly, me thinks.
I´m glad I was able to brighten your day and distract you from work. I shouldn´t say that, but the truth is the truth and has to come out. Once in a while. *G*
Thank you for your lovely comment!!