[identity profile] starlite876.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] ci5hq
Last night I re-read Time-Crossed Lovers by Jane Carnall and Ann Johnson.

The first time I read this I thought this was just an AU time-travel themed story (I was very new to the Pros fandom and in the beginning avoided any AU stories... *bg*).

Last night as I was re-reading this again, I suddenly realised the author paid homage to a number of well-known AUs stories. Unfortunately I can only identify a couple. One story is Rhiannon's "Veils of Morning", and I think the one set in France might be HG's "Rediscovered in a Graveyard".

Can anyone please help with identifying the rest of the stories in "Time-Crossed Lovers"?

Date: 2011-08-30 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonlightmead.livejournal.com
Oh wow. What a brilliant question. This went totally over my head too.

The Bastille one is definitely Rediscovered in a Graveyard. Could the Madame la Guillotine be Meg Lewtan's Scarlet Pimpernel story? Which I have not actually read, admittedly.

I hope someone gets the Roman slave one, because that's going to bother me. Isn't there a story where one of them is knocked out in a car crash and has dreams about something similar? And wakes up and nearly kills the other?

Date: 2011-08-30 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
Isn't there a story where one of them is knocked out in a car crash and has dreams about something similar? And wakes up and nearly kills the other?

The Leap in the Dark (http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/16/leapin.html) trilogy...

Date: 2011-08-30 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
The Historical Storylist (http://www.palelyloitering.com/Story%20Lists/Historical%20Pros%20Storylist.htm) at Palelyloitering might help with some, or the Historical AU list (http://hatstand.slashcity.net/lists/au.html#historical) at Hatstand.

Fun game, though! *g*

Was it Susan Douglass wrote one where Doyle was a monk? I seem to remember it...

I think Clan of the Aurochs (http://www.palelyloitering.com/zines/leatherandbluejeans2.html) might be the prehistoric one, and A Madrigal (http://www.palelyloitering.com/zines/madrigal.html) might be the Spanish galleon one... As you say, they were in the same cell in the Bastille in Rediscoveredin a Graveyard (http://www.palelyloitering.com/zines/rediscoveredinagraveyard.html), and Bodie owned a pottery in Veils of Morning (http://www.palelyloitering.com/Fic/veilsofmorning.html)

Shall see what others I can think of - some are really familiar (like the monk one) but I can't think of the titles/author... I think alot of them might be from zines...

Date: 2011-08-30 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwisue.livejournal.com
Cassie Ingaben I think, off the TOMH

Date: 2011-08-30 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
TOMH..? Erm...?

Who wrote the monk's story? Or...?

Date: 2011-08-30 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwisue.livejournal.com
Sorry - I was in a rush before. I meant Top of my Head!

"Non Nobis, Domine" is the monk (Templar) story by Cassie Ingaben. Although I believe it was written to be more authentic than most (ie more than a bit gritty and nasty and people didn't think the same way back then, mostly because of religion...).

Am pretty sure that Time-Crossed Lovers was meant to be a satire of the bad (hysterical) historicals though. I think there's one deliberate error in the whole thing.

Date: 2011-08-30 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
Lol - never occured to me to think of Top of My Head! *g*

And ah, thank you! And oh rats - I could have sworn I had a copy of Second Variations, but it turns out to be Variations with the wrong cover on it. Grrrrrrrrr to Keynote Press, for this one top of everything else! I thought I should remember it, from your description above... sounds good, too... *sighs*

I have to admit that I skimmed T-CL this morning when I remembered what it was - so what's the deliberate error?!

Date: 2011-08-30 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwisue.livejournal.com
They're in the Bastille in a cell together which would never have happened - all prisoners were in single cells. Also, as prisons of that era went, the Bastille wasn't all that bad a place. Most of the prisoners were "white collar" criminals, political or religious prisoners or the occasional aristo, and there were only a handful inside when it was stormed.

"Non Nobis, Domine" is on the Circuit Archive.
Edited Date: 2011-08-30 10:31 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-08-31 08:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
Oh, you meant in Rediscovered - thought you meant the mistake was in the Carnall story... *g*

I'll print out Non Nobis, Domine to read now - couldn't last night, that's why I was after the zine... *g*

Date: 2011-08-31 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwisue.livejournal.com
Nooo - it's the deliberate mistake in "Time Crossed Lovers" I'm talking about *g*

"We were in the same cell in the Bastille for ten months..."

Date: 2011-08-31 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
Oh... but isn't that cos that's what happened in Rediscovered, then?! Heee - my head's spinning... *g*

Date: 2011-08-31 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwisue.livejournal.com
You giddy thing!!! I give up!

Date: 2011-08-30 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shooting2kill.livejournal.com
Who wrote the monk's story? Or...?

For years I've thought Taravan's Brother in Arms was a monk story but I've just checked and it isn't that one but I'm sure she *has* written one....

Date: 2011-08-30 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firlefanzine.livejournal.com
You mean Brotherly Love?
http://web.archive.org/web/20040814072050/www.tavaran.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic/brolove.htm
(you must highlight it to see it...)

Date: 2011-08-30 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shooting2kill.livejournal.com
Oh, well done and thanks!

Date: 2011-08-30 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shooting2kill.livejournal.com
I've got a slightly different link for Tavaran on Wayback (which doesn't include Brotherly Love but I just thought I'd mention it):

http://web.archive.org/web/20030216191914/www.btinternet.com/~Tavaran/Tellme/pros.htm

Date: 2011-08-30 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shooting2kill.livejournal.com
See what I mean? I always seem to end up as comment '13' so I shall now remedy that.

[By the way, I forgot to say thanks for answering my comment.]

Date: 2011-08-30 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
I don't think I knew the Taravan story, and it wasn't the one I was thinking of, but always interesting to see what else people wrote, so thank you! I'm fairly sure the one I'm thinking of was in a zine...

Date: 2011-08-30 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shooting2kill.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm glad it's of interest to you, cheers for that.

Date: 2011-08-30 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firlefanzine.livejournal.com
I wouldn't complain if you would do some more comments!
That icon is just adorable! :-)

Date: 2011-08-30 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shooting2kill.livejournal.com
Thank you very much! Your icon is rather lovely, too. I could study him *ALL* day.

Date: 2011-08-31 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merentha13.livejournal.com
I just get a black screen when I highlight and try to open this :-(
Any advice? - I'm pretty useless with a computer!

Date: 2011-08-31 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siskiou.livejournal.com
Go to the page and *then* highlight.
Or download a bookmarklet called "zap colors". I use it all the time with weirdly colored webpages. :)

Date: 2011-08-31 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merentha13.livejournal.com
Success! The zap colors worked perfectly. Thanks!

Date: 2011-08-31 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siskiou.livejournal.com
Glad to hear it worked! And that you tried zap colors! :)

Date: 2011-08-31 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firlefanzine.livejournal.com
Siskiou is right, I hope it works now?
For what reason ever, the Wayback-rescued-webpage has black font on black background.

Date: 2011-08-31 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merentha13.livejournal.com
Siskiou was right, I did get to the story. I didn't know such a thing as "Wayback" existed! I now have a whole new list of stories thanks to our link and shootingtokill's link below. :-)

Date: 2011-08-31 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firlefanzine.livejournal.com
It's a pity that so many stories vanish for ever, when authors lose interest in fandom!
Sometimes you can find such things with Wayback.

Date: 2011-08-30 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sc-fossil.livejournal.com
The comment about tarot and London party and China all happens in Unfinished Melody by Jane, yet that's not on line and things didn't happen exactly like that. I have no idea if all the references are on line stories since I just skimmed Carnall story.

Is the Roman one Wine Dark Nexus? I admit it's a story I couldn't get into and never got past the beginning so I'm not sure at all on that. It's at the Circuit.

Date: 2011-08-30 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
Wine Dark Nexus is actually an Atlantean/Greek story! I'm surprised it's not in there actually, though maybe I need to read more carefully... *g*

Date: 2011-08-30 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sc-fossil.livejournal.com
Ahh! Okay, Thanks.

Why is it that I love AUs yet I can't get into Roman/Greek type stories? It's not the writers obviously! I guess we all have something that just doesn't grab us. :)

Date: 2011-08-30 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] byslantedlight.livejournal.com
To be honest, they're not my favourites either - I'm not sure why. Maybe it's that the whole Greek/Roman thing is a bit too far distant from the lads - if anything they've surely come to be who they are with a sense of place and... they're part of this history, not some other one. Maybe my instinct is that our past and our history shape us, and so if they remail constant we stay ourselves, but that growing up with completely different influences on our thinking would make us someone else? Hmmn - will have to think about it some more! *g*

Date: 2011-08-30 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sc-fossil.livejournal.com
I've read an S&H zine where Hutch was a Norseman of old and I liked it. But when there was a challenge to write a Roman S&H story, I had to cheat! LOL! There's also an older Sentinel story based on the movie, The Thirteenth Warrior, and I liked that story as well. Who knows? :) One can't tell what their brain will like!

Personally, I like mythology and I like movies about that time period, like Troy, but I'm not big on my boys in any fandom being moved into Green/Roman settings.

Date: 2011-08-30 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] golden-bastet.livejournal.com
I can't help, but I REALLY like that story, but never realized it was an homage to other stories.

How very cool! And now I like it even more.

Date: 2011-08-31 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] golden-bastet.livejournal.com
I really have to track down some 'zines. I have the Proslib CD (got it very recently), but following up on what's out there is almost like peeling an onion (though not with the nasal effects, LOL).

I would love to be that inventive a writer... :wistful:

Date: 2011-09-01 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1moreirene.livejournal.com
Then this fat Spanish galleon comes by, and we fight her; and in among the prisoners there's this damned familiar face. Of all the shops in all the trade he had to be attacked by mine. Well, I hadn't seen him - by that time - in thirty years (since we were both cut down by the Queen's soldiers in 1569) and I hauled him down to my cabin and we had a wonderful four days, until my ship was sunk.

Sounds like a sly reference to Black Bodie's Treasure. (http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/6/blackbodies2.html)

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