Poorly Lads Storylist - continuing!

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

We're going such great guns on the Poorly Lads storylist, that the comments are concertina-ing, and I'm getting worried in case I've missed some - so I thought I'd re-post the list-so-far, and ask for additions in the comments here, please!

After all, who can resist the kind of h/c and partner-worry that comes with poorly lads..? *g*

Any more for any more?

Amnesia
...And Memories Die and ...And Memories Die Part II by Ellis Ward
Forget That I Remember, and Dream That I Forget by Pamela Rose
Forgetting Doyle by Natasha Barry
If Memory Serves by Alexandra
Lines by PFL
Whatever Happened to Raymond Doyle by Ann Higgins

AIDS/HIV
The Greatest Song I Ever Heard (and sequel) by J.J. Minerva
Silence=Death by M.Fae Glasgow
Sword of Damocles by Trish Darbyfield

Blindness (including temporary)
Another One Bites The Dust by Lise
Bats at Noon by Dana Austin Marsh
The Hunting - Book One by Jane
Independence Day by Eve Abel
The Larton Chronicles by Rhiannon
Love is Blind by Shorts
No Regrets by Frankie
Rediscoveredin a Graveyard by HG
Venetian Blind by Slantedlight

Brain injury
Battles Long Ago by Rhiannon
The Darkest Hour by Rhiannon
Endlessly by F.J. Bryan
Gentle on My Mind by Kathy Keegan and Joanna Dey
The Larton Chronicles by Rhiannon
Poetry to Protect Us by The Hag
Veils of Morning by Rhiannon
Wings of Morning by Irene

Depression
Heat-trace by Helen Raven

Drug Abuse/Addiction
Easy Prey by Jaicen
Paper Flowers by Kitty Fisher

Non-serious Injury (A small selection of...)
Probably half the Pros stories ever written would fall into this category, so I'm going to try and list only those where the focus of the story (either wholly or partly) is on the injury and dealing with it.
All or Nothing by Kate Maclean
Amid the Noise and Haste by Callisto
Betwixt and Between by Josey
Blood Still Cries by Debra Hicks
Brass Tacks by Gloria Lancaster
Catch a Fallen Star by Rosemary
Chances by Angelfish
Doyle's War by Pandora Bachs
A Falling Off by Callisto
Firestorm by Elspeth Leigh
Heaven is a Place on Earth by LilyK
Hunting of the Wren by SAC
I Spy by Liz Bradford and Cherrilyn
Journey's End by O. Yardley
The Larton Chronicles by Rhiannon
The Last Cherry by The Hag
Leftovers by HG
Lucky Accidents by Callisto
Never the Words They Say by Slantedlight
Ninetynine Yew Trees by Draycevixen
No Option by PJ
No Unicorns by Sebastian and HG
Of Myrrh and Light by Josey and Slantedlight
On Guard by Gloria Lancaster
On Such a Night by Slantedlight
On the Edge of a Nightmare by Kate Irvine (Prosfanfic Yahoo Group only)
On This Day in History
Strange Days Indeed by HG
Voice-over by Elizabeth O'Shea
With A Dark Lantern and He Was Catched by Callisto

Non-serious Illness
Fevers by Pam Rose
Flu by Sebastian
Jungle Fever by Hestia
Knife Edge by HG
Voice-over by Elizabeth O'Shea

Psychological Issue (fairly serious)
All These Years by Angelfish
Broken Cover by Angelfish
Can't Answer That Question Sir by Castalia
Catch a Fallen Star by Rosemary
Daring the Sea by Bistokidsfan
The Far Shore by Angelfish
Mr Doyle's Neihbourhood by Kate Nuernberg
The Other Side by Alicia
Out of the Shadows by Ashlea
Redemption by Kate Maclean
Today's Lesson and Touch Sensitive by Jojo
Whistling in the Dark by Jane

Serious Illness
Bittersweet by SN
Four Times Bodie Stayed in Bed and One He Didn't by Callisto
Hepatitus by Anne Carr
Recovering by Halotolerant
Story of My Life by PJ

Serious Injury
All in the Pelvis by Callisto
Best of Intentions by Ann O'Nimus
Burning Bridges and Grief Forgotten by PFL
Dancing in the Rain by Nell Howell/Istia
A Different Game by DVS
The Far Shore by Angelfish
Green Fingers by Jane
The Larton Chronicles by Rhiannon
Mr Doyle's Neighbourhood by Kate Nuernberg
Saints and Miracles by Jack Reuben Darcy
Tears and Tribulations by Annette Hall
To Err is Human by Maiden Wyoming
Today's Lesson and Touch Sensitive by Jojo
Transients by Helen Raven
Vigil by PRZed

Comments

[m31andy.livejournal.com]

Technically, my Any Other World (http://fiandyfic.livejournal.com/38585.html) is brain damage/psychological problems/depression, but it's not the main focus of the story, more the trigger.

I'd mention Somewhere Over the Rainbow as well, for its coma angle, but it's more comfort-the-author-by-hurting-the-audience than hurt/comfort!

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Well, if it's important to the story, then I think that probably counts - I'm sure I've read it, but for the life of me I can't remember... of course that's the advantage of a sieve-like brain too... *g*

[shooting2kill.livejournal.com]

Would 'amnesia' stories come within any existing category or form a kind of sub-category? There was a list made here in April 2006:

http://community.livejournal.com/ci5hq/1911.html


P.S. Alexandra's If memory Serves is another amnesia story:

http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/0/ifmemory.html

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Excellent thought - yes, there probably should be a whole separate section for amnesia stories! Thank you! *goes to do*

[gideonbd77.livejournal.com]

Sometimes I really, really wish Pros zines would get the digital treatment like Starsky & Hutch zines have. Just look at all the good stuff that aren't available to those who don't own the zines! *sniff*

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Alot of Pros has had "the digital treatment" - but there are various Pros authors who actively don't want their stories online, and I think it's important to respect their wishes... You know it is possible to get hold of out of print zines - have you been over to loiteringpalely? And there are second hand places that sell Pros zines for reasonable prices (ie, not the sellers on ebay...)

Are you looking for anything in particular?

[gideonbd77.livejournal.com]

... but there are various Pros authors who actively don't want their stories online ...

Huh, I didn't know that. I'm going to guess it has something to do with identity and worry of their real lives being connected to fandom?

I feel weird about buying zines or anything fandom-related, mainly because I work in an industry of writers and artists. Fandom has an interesting relationship with TPTB. Depending on how technical you wanna get, fanfics, fanart, etc. are infringing on copyright despite our disclaimers, but TPTB closes an eye because, well ... fandom isn't supposed to make any money off it, period. The instant you do, you're pretty much using someone else's characters and work to profit for yourself, and that is a huge no-no to TPTB.

On the other hand, as someone who is in fandom, I also get why fans who don't want their stories online sell zines instead. Printing costs money, and indie printing isn't cheap unless you don't mind your books/zines having crap quality. I guess some would argue that selling zines would make very tiny profit that doesn't make a difference to TPTB ... but the point is still that someone is earning money off characters and work they don't own.

And to answer your question, I'm always up for a well-written, really long story about the lads ... but only to the extent that I don't have to pay money for it and therefore cross the line of IP rights infringement. I'm probably in the minority in regards to this issue due to my work. It might not be such a big deal to others in fandom. *shrug* This is where my professional world bumps with my fandom world, heh.

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Mostly to do with identity I think, yes, though I think some people just don't like the internet as a medium for stories, and I can appreciate that angle too.

I absolutely agree that no one should be making a profit from selling zines, and I think that some zine publishers do (and let's not get started on the ebay sellers). It all depends on the definition of "profit" though - if I pay someone literally for the cost of paper and ink, then I'm not paying them for the story, just the means to read it. On the other hand, if I'm paying for the paper, ink, a ticket to the convention where the zine will be sold, a bookshelf on which to keep the zines before posting, and the most up to date software because the publisher thinks it looks nicer using that - then I've started paying for things that aren't simply about access to the story.

Cf story access online - we all pay for our internet access, or our kindles, or however we want to read fic. To me that's comparable to the paper and ink, and doesn't count as contributing to someone's profit. If someone asked me to pay to access their webpages to help them pay for their internet costs in uploading stories, then that would be them asking for help with a lifestyle rather than the stories...

And rats - I was interrupted and I have to rush off - will finish later!

[gideonbd77.livejournal.com]

On the other hand, if I'm paying for the paper, ink, a ticket to the convention where the zine will be sold, a bookshelf on which to keep the zines before posting, and the most up to date software because the publisher thinks it looks nicer using that - then I've started paying for things that aren't simply about access to the story.

Whoa, that is a lot to pay for a fan zine. Please tell me this isn't the usual case for Pros zines? It's kinda crazy if it is. Convention tickets can be pretty pricey, for one ...

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

I've heard those reasons given by publishers to explain the cost of their zines - but they were multifandom publishers who included Pros in their repertoire.

I can recommend Gryphon Press (http://www.palelyloitering.com/sources/GryphonPress.html) for Pros zines - honest, reasonably priced, friendly and efficient!

[nypagan.livejournal.com]

Answers,(chemical poisoning) by Ice Bear.

[siskiou.livejournal.com]

IIRC, all stories by Ice Bear have some kind of Bodie hurt/illness.

[nypagan.livejournal.com]

I think you're right siskiou.

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

So which category would Answers go in?

[nypagan.livejournal.com]

Not sure. Serious illness maybe because they think Bodie is going to die, but he doesn't. Non-serious illness I guess.

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think I was meaning serious illness to be one which was chronic or long-term, rather than acutely serious - AIDs, for example, or cancer - though we've not had any of those yet! I did wonder if anyone would find one, but I guess we're nicer to our lads that S&H-ers are... *g*

[nypagan.livejournal.com]

I'd call it even as far as abuse goes. S&H have plenty of h/c; accidents, kidnappings, poisonings, death. Maybe S&H are tougher! *vbg*

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Lol - as Bodie says, If you think you're going to draw me on that one... *g*

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Hmmn - I don't think I really want to get into saying "Read anything by Ice Bear" for example...

[siskiou.livejournal.com]

Probably not. *g*
There are over 80 stories by her on the automated hatstand, and I can't remember any specifics, apart from the Bodie-hurt theme.

[sc-fossil.livejournal.com]

One of my all time favourites with hurt Doyle: http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/7/rules.html

Rules by PFL

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

I had to go back and skim this one, cos I couldn't remember it at all, though I know I liked it... I'm a bit hesitant to include it in the list though, cos the focus of the story - and even the moment where he's hurt - isn't that Doyle is hurt, it's what's going on around him. The trouble with the non-serious injury list is that it could include half the stories in Pros if we're not careful (as Jaycat pointed out in the post before this one!) So I think the injury/illness needs to be the focus of the story, if we're going to include it in the list - though I think I'm going to curtail the non-serious injury part of the list anyway, and label it "Examples of..." instead! Thanks though, and for reminding me to re-read that one! *g*

[starlite876.livejournal.com]

More stories:

Non-Serious Injury:

A Hopeless Case (http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/6/ahopeless.html) (Bodie) and So Glad It Was Me (http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/6/soglad.html) (Bodie) by O Yardley
Fire (http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/17/fire.html) (Bodie and Doyle)and Blood (http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/17/blood.html) (Doyle) by PFL
Chasing Cars (http://archiveofourown.org/works/5874) (Doyle) by by J.J. Minerva

The "For Rosie" series by PFL :
A Little B&D Comfort (http://hatstandfic.net/viewstory.php?sid=168&chapter=1),
On the Waiting Side (http://hatstandfic.net/viewstory.php?sid=169&chapter=1),
Always (http://hatstandfic.net/viewstory.php?sid=170&chapter=1)

On Things They Don't Really Talk About (http://community.livejournal.com/discoveredinalj/129858.html) by Erushi (Doyle)
Gut Decision by Maiden Wyoming from the zine Priority A-3 (Doyle)

Serious Injury(invalid out of CI5):

Burning Bridges (http://hatstandfic.net/viewstory.php?sid=177&chapter=1) and Grief Forgotten (http://hatstandfic.net/viewstory.php?sid=178&chapter=1) by PFL (Bodie and Doyle)

[nypagan.livejournal.com]

PFL has a lot of h/c. I don't see Alone Again (Bodie skull fracture) or Answers listed yet. Holding Out for a Hero and Common Law are non-serious injury stories.

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

I think I might have to tag the Non serious injury section as "Examples of..." otherwise we'll just end up with a massive long list of Pros stories, due to the nature of the CI5 job in general!

It's interesting how the list has veered actually, especially from your original question about fic where the lads are more seriously ill/injured!

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

I think I might have to put a cap on the non-serious injury stories on this list, and label what we've got as "Examples of...", otherwise we'll end up listing half the Pros fic that's out there! I'll include the last two you've mentioned though, as they do sound like they're serious injury with a serious outcome. Thanks for all these, though! *g*

[gideonbd77.livejournal.com]

I find it rather curious that there are so few Pros stories about serious/chronic illness in a fandom with so many H/C plots. Maybe Pros fans prefer H/C stories where the lads recover fully and have a happy ending?

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Hee - d'you know, I was wondering about doing a post asking about this today, because that's exactly what nypagan said too! (You're not another S&H-er, by any chance...?) If I do, d'you mind if I quote your comment/wondering here?

[gideonbd77.livejournal.com]

Just started reading some S&H fics, and holy cow, S&H writers really know how to torture their boys! *lol*

The discussion about chronic illness fics in the Pros fandom prompted me to look up the same sort of fics in the S&H fandom too, and I came across this cancer-centric one that was just heart-rending. It was what prompted me to leave the previous comment to you, wondering about the lack of such stories in the Pros fandom because of their depressing nature.

And sure! Feel free to quote me.

[nypagan.livejournal.com]

I've read a lot of S&H fanfic. Crabcakes and A little help from my friends are the two main cancer stories. There's also paralysis, drug addiction, blindness, mental illness, GBS, and near-death-due-to-accident. S&H are tough, they can take it!

[gideonbd77.livejournal.com]

You know what I love about S&H? The fact that Starsky and Hutch aren't afraid to hug, cuddle, hold hands and comfort each other in canon. It's incredibly sweet to me. I wish Bodie and Doyle had the same amount of affection, but I also understand that British lads are probably more, uhm, restrained.

Gotta love Bodie touching Doyle's arse in canon though! *evil grin*

[nypagan.livejournal.com]

As a kid, in 1976, watching S&H, I thought,"Wow, thats weird. Two guys hugging each other."

Watching B&D together, a few years later and now as an adult, I can almost see the desire for the actors/characters to have that connection. But, as you say, I think there was a British restraint.

[intradependency.livejournal.com]

For non-serious illness, does Plague House (http://www.thecircuitarchive.com/tca/archive/16/plaguehouse.html) by asymphototropic qualify?

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Hey, why were you screened? This post isn't screened replies... *is very puzzled indeed*

Good question about Plague House... d'you know though, I'm thinking not, because I don't think the focus is really on the illness itself, it's more on... well I'm not one hundred per cent sure what it's on, but if I go back to the heading of the storylist it's not on the lads being poorly! What d'you think? (To be honest I can rarely get very far reading this one, cos to me it's so not Pros and I find it frustrating trying to follow the language the author's used...)

[intradependency.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'm watching the community but not a member, and that's set to screen? Probably a good thing with all the spam lately...

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Ha no - I've just double-checked the settings, and it's because you're not only not a member, but you included a link in your post. I know I didn't set it to screen comments from non-members - except when they include a link, because that seemed to be the modus operandi of the spambots... Go join! *g*

[siskiou.livejournal.com]

I think it very much focuses on the illness and how everyone deals with it.
After initially not getting it at all, and having to inquire about the speech patterns, I actually enjoy this story quite a bit.

[msmoat.livejournal.com]

My story Lines (http://archiveofourown.org/works/119761) would fit in the Amnesia category.

[byslantedlight.livejournal.com]

Ha - thank you, that's saved me looking up the Big Bang posts to find the title, which was on my list of things to do.