but I'm not sure that idealism or even caring for people and society itself e.g. not having enough doctors, is the sole property of socialists. .......No, quite true, but these are just some of Doyle's thoughts/beliefs, and for me, when you add them with various other things he's said/done, it suggests socialism in his case.
I'm not convinced it necessarily suggests socialism......I think Doyle is too much of a free spirit to follow something as hidebound as socialism. He definitely comes across as someone on the left and maybe in his dreams he aspires to something akin to a more libertarian type of socialism - I can see that - even though as a copper he was once part of the 'ideological state apparatus'
I suppose I'm thinking of the traditional socialist belief in equality, whether it be... so lumping women together like that in a derogatory way seems inconsistent and hypocritical. Yeah, I know what you mean, I suppose I'm thinking of it flawed-realistically rather than ideally... That's the trouble with any philosophy/politics isn't it, people being people they never seem to have come out as they were originally supposed to...
People being people and living practical lives and forced to make practical decisions, I would think it's almost impossible - much of the time - to stick to political principles.
Which is why I suppose they're called ideal-ologies! *g*
I always think of ideology more as the study of ideas and doctrines than ideals!
he's not pre-judging but post-judging, I suppose? Yeah, but he's lumping every Chinese person together as if they all had the exact same thoughts etc, which to me is rather racist stereotyping - I think he says something like "Chinese are like that. They respect authority."
Yeah, to be fair, I was assuming something unspoken here, some subtext like: in my experience the Chinese respect authority, which I think would have been a fair enough statement.
but it's as much his attitude as anything else... And then of course he and Bodie do the whole "Birds as well?" - "Oh, especially the birds." - "Never 'ad a Chinese bird" thing, which is also pretty off!
Yeah, didn't like that - derogatory to the Chinese and women.
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Date: 2007-07-22 11:44 am (UTC)but I'm not sure that idealism or even caring for people and society itself e.g. not having enough doctors, is the sole property of socialists.
.......No, quite true, but these are just some of Doyle's thoughts/beliefs, and for me, when you add them with various other things he's said/done, it suggests socialism in his case.
I'm not convinced it necessarily suggests socialism......I think Doyle is too much of a free spirit to follow something as hidebound as socialism. He definitely comes across as someone on the left and maybe in his dreams he aspires to something akin to a more libertarian type of socialism - I can see that - even though as a copper he was once part of the 'ideological state apparatus'
I suppose I'm thinking of the traditional socialist belief in equality, whether it be... so lumping women together like that in a derogatory way seems inconsistent and hypocritical.
Yeah, I know what you mean, I suppose I'm thinking of it flawed-realistically rather than ideally... That's the trouble with any philosophy/politics isn't it, people being people they never seem to have come out as they were originally supposed to...
People being people and living practical lives and forced to make practical decisions, I would think it's almost impossible - much of the time - to stick to political principles.
Which is why I suppose they're called ideal-ologies! *g*
I always think of ideology more as the study of ideas and doctrines than ideals!
he's not pre-judging but post-judging, I suppose?
Yeah, but he's lumping every Chinese person together as if they all had the exact same thoughts etc, which to me is rather racist stereotyping - I think he says something like "Chinese are like that. They respect authority."
Yeah, to be fair, I was assuming something unspoken here, some subtext like: in my experience the Chinese respect authority, which I think would have been a fair enough statement.
but it's as much his attitude as anything else... And then of course he and Bodie do the whole "Birds as well?" - "Oh, especially the birds." - "Never 'ad a Chinese bird" thing, which is also pretty off!
Yeah, didn't like that - derogatory to the Chinese and women.