Hmmn - not sure about Bodie being physically tougher or better able to endure pain you know, it's just that we don't seem to see Bodie in that state half as often...
I meant that in purely relative terms. Doyle is tough as nails and certainly resilient, but he does seem to feel pain more obviously than Bodie, and he does seem to worry about getting killed more than Bodie -- or at least shows his fear in little flinches, winces, etc. They may technically be injured the same amount of times, but Doyle's injuries seem worse somehow -- or maybe, as you say, it's all in the way he suffers so beautifully -- and noticeably.
Getting shot in the heart for example, seems a little more drastic than Bodie's stabbing, despite Bodie's feverish writhing. We see Doyle in a sling, on crutches, in hospital -- he gets all the stage props indicating serious injury. Even when Bodie is hospitalized in Klansmen there's a noticeable lack of any medical detail of any kind. A pretty nurse, a wet cloth and a few stitches seem to do it for Bodie while we've got Doyle on a ventilator, etc.
Which isn't to say that Doyle isn't just as tough in his own way, especially since he's so regularly injured in ways that would probably cripple anyone else.
Personally I'd say that Doyle is prettier when he's suffering seriously (Isn't that awful - but you know what I mean?) but no less likely to recover quickly/tougher than Bodie... *g* Which is why it bugs me when he is portrayed as a wimp, because, as msmoat said, they're tough!
Absolutely. I wouldn't argue that -- in fact, I guess you could make a case for him being tougher considering the fact that he's able to put his concerns and low pain threshold aside and jump into any fight going.
I'd like to count up the saving-each-other's-bottoms thing too... don't think that's in Pros Insight. Hmmn - Bodie saves Doyle from being shot in Backtrack, Doyle saves Bodie in Ojuka. Erm... any more for any more?!
Well, let's see. Off-hand, Bodie saves Doyle in Looking After Annie, Blind Run, Hunter/Hunted, A Stirring of Dust, Involvement -- and given the gravity of Doyle's wound and the time factor -- Discovered in a Graveyard.
Yes, the humour! The not-taking-it-too-seriously thing, which I think is partly English,
Holy moly. I'd have to argue with THAT. Wisecracks under pressure are about as typically American as you get -- maybe it's a North American thing -- I'd hate to insult the Canadians -- and in that case I guess you could debate whether it has to do with an Anglo heritage, but...sheesh. ;-)
but partly them as well... And there is fic that falls down on that, I think, that makes them very earnest... alot of Jane's stuff actually, I think...
A lot of everyone's stuff, frankly. Humor is pretty hard to do, especially if the writer is trying to balance with angst -- and angst does seem to be more popular than laughs in Pros.
Banter is even harder -- partly because it's as much about timing as it is being funny.
And that they do trust each other - despite Involvement and Fall Girl...
I like the little message Doyle leaves for Bodie on the interrogation tape in Fall Girl. It's a nice touch. And of course in neither case do we know what the other would have ultimately done had things gone the wrong way for the partner under fire.
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I meant that in purely relative terms. Doyle is tough as nails and certainly resilient, but he does seem to feel pain more obviously than Bodie, and he does seem to worry about getting killed more than Bodie -- or at least shows his fear in little flinches, winces, etc. They may technically be injured the same amount of times, but Doyle's injuries seem worse somehow -- or maybe, as you say, it's all in the way he suffers so beautifully -- and noticeably.
Getting shot in the heart for example, seems a little more drastic than Bodie's stabbing, despite Bodie's feverish writhing. We see Doyle in a sling, on crutches, in hospital -- he gets all the stage props indicating serious injury. Even when Bodie is hospitalized in Klansmen there's a noticeable lack of any medical detail of any kind. A pretty nurse, a wet cloth and a few stitches seem to do it for Bodie while we've got Doyle on a ventilator, etc.
Which isn't to say that Doyle isn't just as tough in his own way, especially since he's so regularly injured in ways that would probably cripple anyone else.
Personally I'd say that Doyle is prettier when he's suffering seriously (Isn't that awful - but you know what I mean?) but no less likely to recover quickly/tougher than Bodie... *g* Which is why it bugs me when he is portrayed as a wimp, because, as msmoat said, they're tough!
Absolutely. I wouldn't argue that -- in fact, I guess you could make a case for him being tougher considering the fact that he's able to put his concerns and low pain threshold aside and jump into any fight going.
I'd like to count up the saving-each-other's-bottoms thing too... don't think that's in Pros Insight. Hmmn - Bodie saves Doyle from being shot in Backtrack, Doyle saves Bodie in Ojuka. Erm... any more for any more?!
Well, let's see. Off-hand, Bodie saves Doyle in Looking After Annie, Blind Run, Hunter/Hunted, A Stirring of Dust, Involvement -- and given the gravity of Doyle's wound and the time factor -- Discovered in a Graveyard.
Yes, the humour! The not-taking-it-too-seriously thing, which I think is partly English,
Holy moly. I'd have to argue with THAT. Wisecracks under pressure are about as typically American as you get -- maybe it's a North American thing -- I'd hate to insult the Canadians -- and in that case I guess you could debate whether it has to do with an Anglo heritage, but...sheesh. ;-)
but partly them as well... And there is fic that falls down on that, I think, that makes them very earnest... alot of Jane's stuff actually, I think...
A lot of everyone's stuff, frankly. Humor is pretty hard to do, especially if the writer is trying to balance with angst -- and angst does seem to be more popular than laughs in Pros.
Banter is even harder -- partly because it's as much about timing as it is being funny.
And that they do trust each other - despite Involvement and Fall Girl...
I like the little message Doyle leaves for Bodie on the interrogation tape in Fall Girl. It's a nice touch. And of course in neither case do we know what the other would have ultimately done had things gone the wrong way for the partner under fire.