but I'm not sure that idealism or even caring for people and society itself e.g. not having enough doctors, is the sole property of socialists. No, quite true, but these are just some of Doyle's thoughts/beliefs, and for me, when you add them with various other things he's said/done, it suggests socialism in his case.
I suppose I'm thinking of the traditional socialist belief in equality, whether it be... so lumping women together like that in a derogatory way seems inconsistent and hypocritical. Yeah, I know what you mean, I suppose I'm thinking of it flawed-realistically rather than ideally... That's the trouble with any philosophy/politics isn't it, people being people they never seem to have come out as they were originally supposed to... Which is why I suppose they're called ideal-ologies! *g*
he's not pre-judging but post-judging, I suppose? Yeah, but he's lumping every Chinese person together as if they all had the exact same thoughts etc, which to me is rather racist stereotyping - I think he says something like "Chinese are like that. They respect authority." but it's as much his attitude as anything else... And then of course he and Bodie do the whole "Birds as well?" - "Oh, especially the birds." - "Never 'ad a Chinese bird" thing, which is also pretty off!
But don't forget Bodie's performance in Klansman - I don't think Doyle equals that anywhere and I would think that must be where Bodie gets his rascist reputation from. Oh yeah, definitely - but we were supposed to think that Bodie's racist here, that's the whole point. We're supposed to think that Doyle (not just in this ep but presumably as his character) isn't... It's the whole things-that-were-acceptible-back-then thing, I guess, isn't it... But then getting upset about them is like getting upset because five hundred years ago people thought the earth was flat - you can say now Well of course they were wrong but there's no point getting all hoity-toity about it, we've just learned better since... I guess. *g*
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No, quite true, but these are just some of Doyle's thoughts/beliefs, and for me, when you add them with various other things he's said/done, it suggests socialism in his case.
I suppose I'm thinking of the traditional socialist belief in equality, whether it be... so lumping women together like that in a derogatory way seems inconsistent and hypocritical.
Yeah, I know what you mean, I suppose I'm thinking of it flawed-realistically rather than ideally... That's the trouble with any philosophy/politics isn't it, people being people they never seem to have come out as they were originally supposed to... Which is why I suppose they're called ideal-ologies! *g*
he's not pre-judging but post-judging, I suppose?
Yeah, but he's lumping every Chinese person together as if they all had the exact same thoughts etc, which to me is rather racist stereotyping - I think he says something like "Chinese are like that. They respect authority." but it's as much his attitude as anything else... And then of course he and Bodie do the whole "Birds as well?" - "Oh, especially the birds." - "Never 'ad a Chinese bird" thing, which is also pretty off!
But don't forget Bodie's performance in Klansman - I don't think Doyle equals that anywhere and I would think that must be where Bodie gets his rascist reputation from.
Oh yeah, definitely - but we were supposed to think that Bodie's racist here, that's the whole point. We're supposed to think that Doyle (not just in this ep but presumably as his character) isn't... It's the whole things-that-were-acceptible-back-then thing, I guess, isn't it... But then getting upset about them is like getting upset because five hundred years ago people thought the earth was flat - you can say now Well of course they were wrong but there's no point getting all hoity-toity about it, we've just learned better since... I guess. *g*